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  by Gudo NISHIJIMA

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Monday, February 11, 2008

Important principles in Shobogenzo (14) Sansuigyo

San means "mountains," sui means "water" – rivers, lakes, and so on. Sansui suggests natural scenery, or Nature itself. Kyo or gyo means Buddhist sutras. So Sansuigyo means mountains and water, or Nature, as Buddhist sutras. Buddhism is basically a religion of belief in the Universe, and Nature is the Universe showing its real form. So to look at Nature is to look at the Buddhist truth itself. For this reason Master Dogen believed that Nature is just Buddhist sutras. In this chapter he explains the real form of Nature, giving particular emphasis to relativity in Nature.


(1) The mountains and water of the present are the realization of the words of eternal buddhas. Both [mountains and water] abide in place in the Dharma, having realized ultimate virtue. Because they are in the state be-fore the kalpa of emptiness, they are vigorous activity in the present. Because they are the self before the sprouting of creation, they are real libera-tion. The virtues of the mountains are so high and wide that we always re-alize moral virtue which can ride the clouds by relying on the mountains, and we unfailingly liberate the subtle effectiveness which follows the wind by relying on the mountains.

(Mountains and rivers in front of us are just the realization of speaches by eternal Buddhas. They are manifesting themselves in the order of the Universe, and have realized themselves as the ultimate virtue of the Universe. Because they are the real situations of eternal past, they are just the perfectly vigorous activity at the present moment. Because they are just ourselves before the first sprout of the Universe, and so they are the perfct transparency of Reality. Miscellaneous virtue of mountains are so lofty and wide, that morals over the highest clouds are inevitably transparent from mountains. The delicate virtue of favorable wind decisively transparent from mountains.)

The mountains and rivers in front of us have been tranmitted to us since the eternal past, and so they are manifested themselves in front of us just at the present moment. Therefore we can say that the mountains and rivers, or Nature, is Reality itself.

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(2) Master Kai of Taiyo-zan mountain preaches to the assembly, "The Blue Mountains are constantly walking. The Stone Woman bears children by night." Mountains lack none of the virtues with which mountains should be equipped. For this reason, they are constantly abiding in stillness and constantly walking. We must painstakingly learn in practice the virtue of this walking. The walking of mountains must be like the walking of human beings; therefore, even though it does not look like human walking, do not doubt the walking of the mountains. The words preached now by the Buddhist Patriarch are already pointing to walking, and this is his attain-ment of the fundamental. We should pursue to the ultimate his preaching to the assembly about constant walking: it is because [the mountains] are walking that they are constant.

(Master Fuyo Dokai in the Taiyo-zan mountain preaches to the assembly, "The Blue Mountains are constantly walking. The Stone Woman bears children by night." Mountains lack none of the virtues with which mountains should be equipped. For this reasen, they are constantly abiding in stillness and constantly walking. The walking of mountains must be like the walking of human beings; therefore, even though it does not look like human walking, do not doubt the walking of the mountains. Now the words of the Buddhist patriarchs have indicated the walking of mountains, and this is the first example of a Patriarch's words, which have manifested the walking of the mountain for the first time. We should perfectly understand the Patriarch's preaching of constantly walking mountains, and we should understand that because of the constant walking of everything we can be constantly stable.)

Reading this paragraph, I have some personal supposition that at the time when Master Fuyo Dokai lived (1043~1118), some Buddhist Masters have noticed the royation of the earth, not scientifically, but intuitively.


(3) The walking of the Blue Mountains is swifter than the wind, but beings in the mountains do not sense it or know it. Being in the mountains describes the opening of flowers in the [real] world. People out of the mountains never sense it and never know it – people who have no eyes to see the mountains do not sense, do not know, do not see, and do not hear this concrete fact.

(Even though the walking of the Blue Mountains is swifter than the wind, people, who are living in
the mountains, do not sense it or know it. The expression of "in the mountain" suggests the gorgeous phenomena of opening flowers in this world. (However,) people, who are living outside this world fantastically, do not sense and do not know (that they are just living in this world.) People, who do not have ability to look at the real situations actually, do not sense, do not know, do not look at, and do not listen to. That is just the fundamental principle.)

The blue mountains are always moving much more faster than the swift wind because of the rotation of the earth, people, who are living on the surface of the earth, do not sense and know such a situation. On the surface of the earth there are so gorgeous civilizations flowering so brilliantly, but many people, who are impossible to look at the real civilization, do not notice that they are just living in the so beautiful mountains.


(4) If we doubt the walking of the mountains, we also do not yet know our own walking. It is not that we do not have our own walking, but we do not yet know and have not yet clari-fied our own walking. When we know our own walking, then we will surely also know the walking of the Blue Mountains.

(If we do not know the walking of the mountains, the facts suggest that we do not know the real fact of our own walking. It is not true that we do not have our own walking, but it is true that we do not have realized the real situation of our real walking yet. We do not have understood the real situations of our walking yet. And if we have understood the real situations of our own walking, it is inevitable for us to know the real walking of the blue mountains without fail.)

To know the real walking of blue mountains, does not mean to understand the intellectual meaning of blue mountains' walking, or to perceive the perceptive image in the sense organs, but it is just the realization of walking in the real action.


(5) The Blue Mountains are already beyond the sentient and beyond the insentient. The self is al-ready beyond the sentient and beyond the insentient. We cannot doubt the present walking of the Blue Mountains. [Though] we do not know how many Dharma-worlds we should use as a scale when taking in the Blue Mountains, we should investigate in detail the walking of the Blue Mountains as well as our own walking. There should be investigation both of backward steps and of stepping backward.

(The blue mountains are neither mental beings, nor physical being, but they are just something real. We, ourselves, are neither mental beings, nor physical being, but we are just something real. And at the present moment it is impossible for us to doubt the walking of blue mountains. Because it is not clear that how many Universes shall we use for reflecting the blue mountains.
Therefore we should clearly examine the walking of blue mountains and our own walking too on the basis of real action, and we should also examine the two kinds of step, positive backward step and negative backward step too.)

Real walking can never be ideal walking or perceptive walking, but it is just the real walking at the present moment as action. Therefore when we think about the real philosophy of Buddhism, we should always make our efforts to consider all kinds of Buddhism on the basis of real act itself.


(6) We should investigate the fact that just at the moment before the sprouting of creation, and since be-fore the King of Emptiness, walking – in forward steps and backward steps – has never stopped even for an instant. If the walking ceased, the Buddhist patriarchs could not manifest themselves in reality. If there were an end to the walking, the Buddha-Dharma could not reach the present day.

(We should clearly and precisely examine that in walking forward and in walking backward the walkng hasn't stopped since the moment before sprouting the Universe, or the far beyond before the King of Emptiness. And if it were true that the walking had stopped even a moment, the Buddha hadn't manifested himself at all. If there were any end in the walking, Gautama Buddha's teachings had never arrived at today.)

Because the Universe has been walking endlessly even today, we can enjoy our daily life as usual. If the walking had been stopped, Gautama Buddha hadn't been born at all. If the walking had stopped already, Buddhism had never arrived at today.


(7) Forward walking never ceases, and backward walking never ceases. The moment of forward walking does not oppose backward walking, and the moment of backward walking does not oppose forward walking. We call this virtue the mountains flowing, and we call it the flowing mountains.

(Walking forward has never stopped, and walking backward has never stopped. The moment of forward walking does not oppose backward walking, and the moment of backward walking does not oppose forward walking. We call the virtue of mountains situations, sometimes mountains' flow and sometimes flowing mountains.)

Walking forward and walking backward have never stopped even for a moment sice the eternal past, but at the same time walking forward does never hinder walking backward, and walking backward does never hinder walking forward. And those kinds of virtue are sometimes called mountains flow, and sometimes called flowing mountains.


(8) The Blue Mountains master in practice the act of walking and the East Mountain learns in practice the act of moving on water; therefore, this learning in practice is the mountains' learning in practice. The mountains, without changing their body-and-mind, with the face and eyes of mountains, have been traveling around The Blue Mountains master in practice the act of walking and the East Mountain learns in practice the act of moving on water; therefore, this learning in practice is the mountains' learning in practice. The mountains, without changing their body-and-mind, with the face and eyes of mountains, have been traveling around The Blue Mountains master in practice the act of walking and the East Mountain learns in practice the act of moving on water; therefore, this learning in practice is the mountains' learning in practice. The mountains, without changing their body-and-mind, with the face and eyes of mountains, have been traveling around them by saying that the Blue Mountains cannot walk or that the East Mountain cannot move on water. It is because of the grossness of the viewpoint of the vulgar that they doubt the phrase "the Blue Mountains are walking." It is due to the poorness of their scant experience that they are astonished at the words flowing mountains.

(Blue mountains actually practice walking, and eastern mountains actually learn going on water, therefore those practice and learning are just practice and learning by mountains themselves. Mountains, without changing their body and mind, keeping their own face and eyes, intentionally practice and learn mountains themselves. Don't blame and slander the blue mountains that they can never walk at all, or eastern mountains can never walk on the water at all. Because of their view- points being so low vulgarly, it is inevitable for them to doubt the words that blue mountains actually walk. Because of being so poor in their small amount of knowledge, it is necessry for them to surprise hearing the words of flowing mountains.)

Almost all people in the world have habit to understand everything on the basis of intellectual consideration, or sensitive perception, therefore usually it is impossible for them without the doubt in listen to the words of walking blue mountains, or talks of flowing mountains. Therefore if we want sincerely to study Gautama Buddha's Realism, it is absolutely necessary for us to study
all kinds of philosophies on the basis of action, which always exists at the present moment.


(9) Now, not even fully understanding the words flow-ing water, they are drowned in prejudice and ignorance. This being so, they esteem as defining concepts, and esteem as lifeblood, their enumeration of the accumulated virtues [of mountains]. The act of walking exists, the act of flowing exists, and moments in which mountains give birth to mountain children exist. By virtue of the fact that mountains become Buddhist patri-archs, Buddhist patriarchs have manifested themselves in reality like this.

(Nowadays, because the word of "flowing water" has not been understood well, it has been drowned being misunderstood by the small scale of view or knowledge. Therefore they count up the forms and names of miscellaneous virtues to manifest the lives and blood vessels. There are walkings and flowings, and there is a time when mountains bear the children of mountains. Relying upon the priciple that even mountains can become Buddhist Patriarchs, Buddhist Patriarchs have been able to manifest themselves actually.)

In such a situation even the words of "flowing water" have been pervaded, and so in the case of mountains there are walking or flowing, bearing babies. Even mountains can becoome Buddhist Patriarchs, and so many Buddhist Patriarchs have been manifested hemselves like this.


(10) Though there may be eyes in which grass, trees, soil, stones, fences, and walls are realized, that moment is beyond doubt and beyond disturbance; it is not "total realization." Though moments are realized in which [the mountains] are seen to be adorned with the seven treasures, [those mo-ments] are not "the real refuge." Though visions are realized [of the moun-tains] as the area in which buddhas practice the truth, [those visions] are not necessarily something to be loved. Though some have got the brains to real-ize a vision [of the mountains] as the unthinkable merit of the buddhas, reality is not merely this. Every "realization" is an instance of object and subject. We do not esteem such ["realizations"] as the Buddhist patriarchs' action in the state of truth: they are one-sided and narrow views.

(Even though there is a chance, in which we can really look at grass and trees, soil and stones, or fences and walls, the situations are different from having doubt, having agitation, or the whole realization of everything. Even though we have realized the moment, in which we were experiencing as if we were looking at a gorgeous building decorated with the seven kinds of jewels, such a scenary can not also be seen as if it were what we belong to actually. Even if we have actually realized that it is just the circumstances for many Buddhas to realize their actual Truth, however such a situation is not always the place, which we love so enormously. Even though we have got excellent thinking ability, which is actually realized as if it were excellently manifested as many Buddhas' mystical virtue, but the real Truth is not always like that, and each manifestation is the each subjet and the each object. However those are not always just the total moral virtue of Buddhist Patriarchs, but those are also very narrow viewpoint inside a very narrow corner.

In conclusion, even though it seems that we Buddhists can meet so gorgeous and so valuable experiences day by day, those excellent experiences in our daily life are very small parts of
our human life in the Universe.


(11) The moving of circumstances and the moving of mind are criticized by the Great Saint. Explanations of mind and explanations of the nature are not af-firmed by the Buddhist patriarchs. Seeing the mind and seeing the nature is the animated activity of non-Buddhists. Staying in words and staying in phrases is not the speech of liberation. There is [a state] which has got free from states like these: it is expressed "the Blue Mountains are constantly walking" and "the East Mountain moves on water." We should master it in detail.

(The attitudes of changing circumstances or refreshing our own mind are what Gautama Buddha scoldes. To explain mind and to explain original substance are what Buddhist Patriarchs do never affirm. Manifesting mind or manifesting original substance is vigorous activity of non-Buddhist, and hesitating talks or hesitating words is never expression of perfect freedom. However there are examples, which have been transparent through those circumstances, and that is discribed as "blue mountains are always walking," or "the eastern mountains are going on the water." So we should be
careful in actual experience in detail.)

Gautama Buddha scolded easy attitudes to change the circumstances or mind, and Buddhist Patriarchs do never affirm superficial verbal explanations of mind or substance. Manifesting mind and manifesting substance are vigorous activity of non-Buddhists. Hesitating talks or hesitating words can never be clear expression of peerfect freedom. But there are miscellaneous expressions, which are transparent through miscellaneous circumstances, that is, the expression of "blue mountains are always walking" and "eastern mountains are going on the stream." Let us research the situations by experience in detail.

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(12) [In the words] "The Stone Woman bears children by night" Time, in which the Stone Woman bears children, is called night.

(The time, when the Stone Woman bears children, is called night.)

In Buddhism we usually think everything on the basis of mutual relations. Therefore we can say that "the stone woman bears children at night," and at the same time we can say "the time, when the stone woman bears children, is called night."

Reading Mastr Fuyo Dokai's words, we should never think that a Buddhist Master sometimes speaks his joke, but words, which the Master says, are just the eternal Truth for ever. Because even a big hard rock, when it meets an enormously cold weather at night, has to meet possibility that the natural temperature goes down under zero, and a tiny little volume of water inside the rock has to freese, and the small volume of water inside the rock becomes a much bigger mass of ice than water. And such a natural process of Nature sometimes make a big rock into grains of sands during so long ages actually.


(13) In general, there are male stones and female stones, and there are neither male nor female stones, whose practical function supports the heavens and supports the earth. There are heavenly stones and there are earthly stones – as the secu-lar say, but few people know.

(Generally speaking, there are stones, which are called male stones, or called female stones, and furthermore there are stones called none-male stones or none-female stones. And those kinds of stones support the heaven, and support the earth. At the same time there are heavenly stones and earthly stones. And even though those insistences are discussed among secular people, it is very rear for anyone clearly notice this fact.)

In Japan, specialists as gerdeners usually distinguish stones among male, female, and non-male-or-female.


(14) We should know the facts of childbirth: At the time of childbirth, are parent and child both transformed? How could we learn in practice only that childbirth is realized as [the parent] becoming the parent of a child? We should learn in practice, and should penetrate to the end, that the Time of [the child] becoming the child of the parent is the practice-and-experience of the reality of childbirth.

(We should know the fundmetal principle of childbirth. At the time of childbirth, are parent and child both transformed? How is it only the case of realizing the childbirth for father and mother to become parents? We should also experience and understand that the fact that a baby has become a baby of parents is the practice and experience of realizing childbirth, and such a fact should be
studied too.)

In Buddhism all things and phenomena are always in mutual relations with each other.

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(15) Great Master Unmon Kyoshin says, "The East Mountain moves on water." The point realized in these words is that all mountains are an East Mountain, and every East Mountain moves on water. Thus [mountains] such as the nine mountains of Mt. Sumeru have been realized, and they have practiced and experienced. This state is called "the East Mountain."

(Master Unmon Kyoshin says, "The East Mountain moves on water." And the main meaning of those realized words are that miscellaneously many mountains can be called eastern mountains, and the all eastern mountains can be described that they are going on the river. Therefore the nine mountains around the Sumeru have been realized, and they are acting and experiencing as mountains, which are called also the east mountainn.)

Therefore we can call all mountains as eastern mountains, which are also acting and practicing.

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(16) At the present time in the great Kingdom of Sung, there is a group of unreliable fellows who have now formed such a crowd that they cannot be beaten by a few real [people]. They say that the present talk of the East Mountain moving on water, and stories such as Nansen's sickle, are sto-ries beyond rational understanding. Their idea is as follows: "A story which involves images and thoughts is not a Zen story of the Buddhist patriarchs. Stories beyond rational understanding are the stories of the Buddhist patri-archs. This is why we esteem Obaku's use of the stick and Rinzai's shout, which are beyond rational understanding and which do not involve images and thoughts, as the great realization before the sprouting of creation. The reason that the expedient means of many past masters employ tangle cut-ting phrases is that [those phrases] are beyond rational understanding." Those fellows who speak like this have never met a true teacher and they have no eyes of learning in practice; they are small dogs who do not deserve to be discussed. For the last two or three hundred years in the land of Sung there have been many such demons and shavelings [like those] in the band of six. It is pitiful that the great truth of the Buddhist Patriarch is going to ruin. The understanding of these [shavelings] is inferior even to that of ßråvakas of the small vehicle; they are more stupid than non-Buddhists. They are not lay people, they are not monks, they are not human beings, and they are not gods; they are more stupid than animals learning the Buddha's truth. What the shavelings call "stories beyond rational under-standing" are beyond rational understanding only to them; the Buddhist patriarchs are not like that. Even though [rational ways] are not rationally understood by those [shavelings], we should not fail to learn in practice the Buddhist patriarchs' ways of rational understanding. If ultimately there is no rational understanding, the reasoning which those [shavelings] have now set forth also cannot hit the target. There are many of this sort in all di-rections of Sung China, and I have seen and heard them before my own eyes. They are pitiful. They do not know that images and thoughts are words and phrases, and they do not know that words and phrases transcend images and thoughts. When I was in China I laughed at them, but they had nothing to say for themselves and were just wordless. Their present nega-tion of rational understanding is nothing but a false notion. Who has taught it to them? Though they lack a natural teacher, they have the non-Buddhist view of naturalism.

(Nowadays in the great Sun China there are some kinds of groups, which are governed by unreliable people, and recently they have become many big groups, therefore it has become impossible for us as a small group, which is true in our opinion, but our group is too much small to destroy them actually.
They say that the stories, which insist that eastern mountains walk on a river, or a story of Master Nansen's sickle, and so force, are originaly incomprehensible stories. The meaning of such insistences are that stories, which are related with miscellaneous human intelligence, can never be Buddhist Patriarchs' stories on Zen, and only incomprehencible stories can be just Buddhist Patriarchs' stories. Therefore Master Obaku's bar, which was used for striking his students, and Master Rinzai's shout "KATSU!" are difficult for human intellectual understanding to grasp the meaning. And such kinds of their incomplehensible behaviors are called the great enlightenments, which belongs to the eternity before any sprout of this world hasn't sprouted yet. The facts that the teaching methods of former instructors have used desicively strong words for cutting the complicated, comes from that the Buddhist teachings are originally incomplehensible.
However, those instructors, who say like this, have never met with a true Masters yet, and so they do not have any eyes for experience and learn the Truth. Therefore they were as if they were small children, who do not have any worth to be discussed. However, in Sung China for two or three years recently, those kinds of bold-headed-people, who belong to spiritual demons or six kinds of materialists, are very many.
It is very pitiful that the great Truth of Gautama Buddha has been degenerated so enormously. Those kinds of interpretations for Buddhism, haven't arrived at the level of Hinayana or Shravaka Buddhism yet, and are much more stupid than non-Buddhists. They are not secular people, but not Buddhist monks, not human beings, not gods, and they are much stupid than animals, which are studying Buddhism.
The incomplehensible stories, which they call so, are incomplehensible only for them, but in the case of Buddhist Patriarchs the situations are completely different, therefore even though those stories, which are impossible to understand for those non-Buddhists, we, Buddhists, should study the way of understanding by Buddhist Patriarchs. And if it were truly impossible for everyone to understand the meaning of the stories, even the people's insistences to decide that the stories are imcomplehensible, are also unreliable.
Those kinds of unreliable people were so many in miscellaneous districts of Sun Chine, therefore I have looked at them or listened to their rumors actually when I was there.
They were so pitiful that they do not know the important facts that our mental considerations directly identified with our verbal expressions, and our verbal expressions completely pass through our mental consideration. When I was in China I laughed at them, but there was no expression of their oppinion, and they had kept only their silence. Therefore it was very clear that their actual insistence of being incomplehensible was completely wrong. Who has taught to you
such wrong idea. Even though you do not have any natural teacher, your ideas are just a naturalism, which can never be Buddhism.

In Buddhism many people think that the Buddhist stories, which are called Koan, are illogical, but those kinds of interpretations are completely wrong. In Buddhism we have a fundamental philosophical system, which is called Four Philosophies, and the theory of Four Philosophies includes the four kinds of philosophies, which includes the dimentionally different four philosophical viewpoints.
Therefore if we do not understand the fundamental philosophical meaning of Four Philosophies, we can never understand the true meaning of Buddhist philosophy. Therefore Gautama Buddha explained the meaning of Four Philosophies at his first Buddhist lecture to his first five students.
And the structure of Koans includes usually includes the system of Four Philosophies, and so it is absolutely important for us to study the theory of Four Philosophies at the beginning of Buddhist study sincerely.


(17) Remember, this "The East Mountain moves on water" is the bones and marrow of the Buddhist patriarchs. Waters are realized at the foot of the East Mountain; thereupon mountains ride the clouds and walk through the sky. The crowns of the waters are mountains, whose walking, upward or downward, is always on water. Because the mountains' toes can walk over all kinds of water, making the waters dance, the walking is free in all directions and practice-and-experience is not nonexistent.

(Remember that the expression that "The Mountain moves on water" is the bones and marrow of the Buddhist Patriarchs. Rivers are realized at the foot of eastern mountains, and so those mountains
stand on clouds and walk through the sky. The heads of those rivers are the mountains, and walkings of the mountains are on the rivers. The toes of the mountains can walk on the rivers, and because the walks make the water spring out, the walks can be done in all directions. Therefore we can say that even the mountains can do practice and realization.)

In Buddhism we can combine human minds and substancial Nature completely together, and so we can understand and describe human beings and Nature so freely like this.

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(18) Mountains have been the dwelling places of great saints since beyond the past and present. All the sages and all the saints have made the moun-tains into their inner sanctum and made the mountains into their body-and-mind; and by virtue of the sages and the saints the mountains have been realized. We tend to suppose, with respect to mountains in general, that countless great saints and great sages might be gathered there; but after we have entered the mountains there is not a single person to meet. There is only the realization of the vigorous activity of mountains.

(Mountains have been the dwelling places of great saints eternally transcending the past and the present. All sages and all saints have made mountains into their inner sanctum and made the mountains into their body-and-mind. Because of residences by the sages and the saints the mountains have been realized actually. In general we are prone to suppose that so many saints and so many sages might be living, but since having entered into the mountains, actually speaking, it is impossible for us to meet only one person at all. There is only the realization of the vigorous activity of mountains.)

In fact our supposition is usually so different from the real situations of facts. Therefore it is usually so different between our mental supposition and The Real Facts.

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(19) An eternal Buddha says, "Mountains are mountains. Water is water." These words do not say that "mountains" are "mountains;" they say that mountains are mountains.

(An eternal Buddha says, "Mountains are mountains. Water is water." These words do not say that the real mountains are the same as the words of mountains, but the real mountains are just the real mountains.)

Concepts and Reality are dimensionally different completely.

End

9 Comments:

Blogger Peter said...

Dear Sensei,

Thank you for your commentary on this chapter. I've been reading it at home and found it difficult to figure out what Master Fuyo Dokai means when he says "The Blue Mountains are constantly walking. The Stone Woman bears children by night."

You seem to indicate that the first part may refer to the earth's rotation. Have you any idea what he means when he says "The Stone Woman bears children by night."

Thank you,
Peter

1:40 AM, February 13, 2008  
Blogger GUDO NISHIJIMA said...

Dear Peter San,

Thank you very much for your question. When I read the sentence that "The Stone Woman bears children by night," I usually image that even in the case of a huge rock if it has met so cold weather under zero degree at innumerablely many times during so many years, a bit of water inside the rock has frozen so many times at nights again and again, and even the huge rock would become broken into sands.
And in another case if a huge volume of sands have been suppressed by a heavy weight under the ground for enormously long period, there is possibility that a huge volume of sand would become an enormously big rock.
Therefore even tonight a small piece of stone has to meet such a kind of change inevitably, and such a kind of mystical change can never be avoidable at all.
And so Master Fuyo Dokai described such a kind of mystical situation of Nature with words "The Stone Woman bears children by night," I think.

Gudo Wafu Nishijima

2:09 PM, February 13, 2008  
Blogger HezB said...

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9:41 PM, February 13, 2008  
Blogger HezB said...

Dear Nishijima Roshi et al,

I had previously read this section as describing the slow geological movements of the earth/ mountains and as a statement on the relative perceptions of time (perceptions of "beings in the mountains" contrasted with the movement of mountains which goes on all the time "swifter than the wind" although it is not obvious to our human perceptions).

I had thought that the 'stone woman giving birth' was descriptive of the birth of mountains from the earth, 'the night' being analogous for the fact that the process is obscured by the 'darkness' of our perceptions of time.

While the mountains seem to be solid and immovable to us, over long periods of time (much longer than a human life) they could be seen to be more fluid in nature.

While they seem constant to us, they are moving, which itself allows them to seem constant to us and, beyond that, they are constant as mountains and other things.

Best Regards,

Harry.

10:00 PM, February 13, 2008  
Blogger Rich said...

since I don't know everything that is moving and not moving, I accept don't know. My most important job is attention to my actions like walking.

I appreciate this discussion of blue Mountains and Stone Woman.

2:03 AM, February 14, 2008  
Blogger HezB said...

"To know the real walking of blue mountains, does not mean to understand the intellectual meaning of blue mountains' walking, or to perceive the perceptive image in the sense organs, but it is just the realization of walking in the real action."

Nishijima Roshi,

Thank-you very much for this valuable comment on the meaning of the text. Until now it had been a text that seemed quite abstract to me.

Kind Regards,

Harry.

9:22 PM, February 14, 2008  
Blogger Zushi said...

Dear Nishijima Roshi,

reading paragraph (6) I remembered a poem by Wanshi which I liked very much:

The true wind of supremacy - do you see it or not?
Mother Creation moves incessantly her loom and shuttle,
Weaving the ancient brocade, embracing all forms of spring.
How could you stop the Prince of East from leaking them?

Best regards
Regina

5:58 AM, February 15, 2008  
Blogger Rich said...

With practice I will walk like the Blue Mountain and move on water like the East Mountain.

7:27 AM, February 15, 2008  
Blogger Samuel said...

A question about your statement:
"To know the real walking of blue mountains, does not mean to understand the intellectual meaning of blue mountains' walking, or to perceive the perceptive image in the sense organs, but it is just the realization of walking in the real action." So does this mean that Dogen was wrong when he criticized those who said "it's beyond intellectual understanding". 不明は意識の不明ですか。それとも無意識の不明ですか。

3:25 PM, March 16, 2009  

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